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I cut my lip up well tonight, so I guess it's a good thing I like the taste of
blood. Right about now, I'm going to get some more. Yesterday, I had a
debate in English over homosexual marriages and then I received Heath's words,
which I have awaited for a week and a half. Between all the arguments, I'm
remembering why I loved debate so much (of course, re-reading some of my
flows from last year helped too. The literary value of my flows is at least
on par with tabloids).
I'll start with Heath's amazing attempt at not stating anything I've never
heard before. The biggest complaint I have about his reply is it follows the
structure of the Bible too well in the sense that he clearly provides logic
gaps in his own rebuttal. Towards the end he implies I do not understand how
to interpret Biblical verse when he explains the belief that the Bible
supports a flat Earth. A few times he then only gives a line from the Bible
in argument. He acknowledges openly that I may not know how to read Scripture,
but then expects me to understand "his arguments". However, there is more to
this obvious problem. The line he puts at the end of the flat Earth
refutation is, "You have to understand the Bible was written in a different
language." This one quote destroys everything he says because he tells us
there could be screw-ups in the translation, and if one part of the text is
obviously mistranslated or badly worded, then it is possible all other parts
are. So the whole Bible is destroyed because no one can say with proof which
parts are accurately written exactly as God intended, and which parts got
screwed up in translation.
It is correct no one has ever gone to Jesus because they lost an argument, or
at least might be correct. However, I've won a lot of arguments over religion,
meaning someone lost. And occasionally those losers walk away from Jesus.
So winning arguments is important to keep members, even if it doesn't mean
shit to gain them.
Now it's time to play games with Scripture. "Love the God your father with
all your heart and your mind and your soul." Since you've already said I don't
know how to read the Bible, I'll read it how I wish and just assume you'll
tell me I'm wrong. But remember, other people who do believe in the Bible
may have an interpretation like mine, so by saying I'm wrong, you are also
saying your homies are wrong too. However, this line is obviously full of
shit. I can understand loving God with heart and soul, but adding in mind
is stupid. Love is irrational, and the mind is the housing for rational
thought. They cannot go together well. Telling people they should is a lot
like a poor chick trying to get a fiancé to not sign a pre-nupt. If God truly
wants his followers to believe but not believe blindly, then he would not want
love clouding their minds. Of course, God is a lot more cunning than
Christians like to believe, and what God is really doing is tricking everyone
to love with their mind, causing them to have blind faith. Since blind faith
is my #1A hatred (#1 hatred being stupidity, and blind faith is a subdivision
of stupidity), I don't accept this manipulative statement.
Now the glory argument is entirely dependent on which definition we want to
use for the word "glory". The definition I was basing it on is "something
worth praise" whereas you use the definition of "praise of something." By my
definition, God making the world means his glory is spread globally because
what he did that was worth praise is globally spread. By your definition,
God becomes a politician. Let me demonstrate with an equation: God's Glory
= Praise of the People. Therefore, God's Glory is entirely dependent on us,
and if we don't give him praise, God HAS NO glory. All the glory does not
go to God, it goes to us.
I never mentioned the word "foreign" anywhere. I implied it because all of
the missionaries I know of go to other countries to mission people. I could
really care less though, because it is a stupid idea. Everyone knows by now;
no sense in bugging them. How often do you listen to the Jehovah Witness's
that come to your door? You say this is a bias opinion, but I must point out,
so is yours. You have hundreds of examples, but I have a very nice fact.
Christianity is followed by roughly 33% of the world, and has stayed at that
percentage for decades. If so many people are changing because of missions,
this statistic would go up, but it doesn't, so "hundreds of examples" or not,
missions are not working. As for your argument stating people don't mind
dying for Christ, you should do a little research. These tribes didn't die
because of Christ; they died because missionaries decided that teaching Christ
wasn't enough, and they needed to teach culture as well. So, in the middle
of Africa, during blazing heats, they taught Africans to dress like Europeans
from head to toe. This overheated everyone causing death. They didn't die
for Christ; they died because some people are ignorant. And even if they
had died for Christ, is it really acceptable to go kill off entire cultures
to teach them about Jesus? Do missionaries do it for the people or for
themselves? (And I really think on your quote of Matthew, you forgot to
end quotes. Maybe I'm arguing your ideas or I'm arguing the Bible.
Then again, I've never feared committing blasphemy.)
Just a quick technicality, "lust" is an unrestrained sexual desire. Thinking
about sex is a sin from a fundamentalist standpoint.
"Thou shalt not lay with another man." This is all you can give me in support
of your anti-homosexual viewpoint. You're a fucking debater; you should know
you need harm. It's part of debating, and yet you base EVERYTHING on one line
from the Bible. I don't buy it; furthermore, I offer my interpretation of
the line. It means everyone should do his own work. "Lay" is used to imply
"laying brick" so to speak. Actually, any type of building involves laying
of some raw material. Therefore, the quote you use simply says no one should
ask for help in building his house. People should not expect help from others,
but do their own shit. And don't refer to other parts of the verse, because
you didn't find them important enough to include when you made the argument.
Considering it was your WHOLE argument.
My favorite subject in the whole debate: sex. Yes, very few Christian
marriages (there's an "i" in the word) fail when both partners wait until
marriage to have sex. But this fact is useless because it fails to recognize
the biasness of the statistic. If Christianity says sex before marriage is
wrong, and people wait until after marriage to have sex, than obviously both
are very good Christians. Christianity also says divorce is bad, so it is
most likely these marriages work simply because these two are so intoned to
their Christianity that they refuse to quit, and it's not because they waited
to have sex. Saying you will appreciate the sex more and respect the person
you have it with more if you wait until marriage is bullshit too. I agree
that a virgin would be nice, but that's not because I want to wait until
marriage, it's because I'm not confident enough in my sexual prowess yet
to sleep with woman that have had sex before. It turns sex into a competition
instead of making love or simply shooting off a load depending on the form of
payment used to get the sex (gifts or cold, hard cash respectively). But
logically, pun intended, what's it fucking matter? Nothing, and the only
reason you may say that I'd respect it more is for 3 reasons: 1) that's what
your girlfriend told you to keep you from asking for sex, 2)you had sex with
your girlfriend and then got an STD, causing you to wish it back, 3)you are
fucking all the time with your girlfriend and want to hide it by pretending
to be super-Christian. I'm going to pick number three, because I've had far
more experiences with people in that boat than either of the other two.
Hope it's a good piece of ass, though, which is probably another thing your
hiding with your religion.
Actually the Bible does support slavery: Exodus 21. Read it over and over
again. If the Bible didn't support slavery, why did it describe the proper
method of slavery and not condemn it? As for the killing of unruly children,
try reading Deuteronomy 21:18-21. I should point out here that is seems you
know of all the everlasting love parts of the Bible, and I know of all the
cruel parts of it. It seems you ignore the cruel parts because the
everlasting love is so good, and I think the cruelty is enough to throw the
whole book out. Not an argument, but a revelation.
As for who does and does not know the answers, you definitely fall into the
"doesn't" category. You don't seem to have read the whole Bible (read above
paragraph) suggesting you can't possibly know it all. The fact that you
didn't recognize the claims of slavery and stoning children suggests I was
right that you are hiding behind Christianity to have lots and lots of sex.
I would think a real Christian would at least faintly know of these.
You say equal love and then give the verse, "Teach your children in the way
they should go and they shall stay to it." Which is it? If the teaching
idea is correct, children would never have apostasies so there would
definitely be equal love because no one in the family would ever stop believing.
However, I was taught in the way of the Lord and I gave it up, meaning teaching
children is preposterous. If this is true, then is there still equal love?
Hope everyone enjoyed my attempt to rape Heath, since I love to piss all over people.
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